[Again, he pulls a face, raising his eyebrows and nodding his head to the side slightly in acknowledgement of Phoenix's point.]

Maybe Dante had the right idea. You know, levels and all.

[Has he actually read Dante's Inferno? Probably not the whole thing. But the general idea he knows of. But after a short pause, he adds on--]

Or maybe the rest of the world hasn't been as sinful as us poor unfortunate souls would like to believe.